hooklength to reel line on method

[lee bird]

when fishing the method
using low diameter hooklengths.say 0.14.6lb3oz,what should your reel line be

[Serious Sam]

Personally I won't use low diameter lines on the method, mainline or hooklink, not a lot of stretch there and been busted every time I've tried it. 99% of the time I'm clipped up so the initial hit can be very harsh and snap it goes :cool:

I stick to something like sensor for both reel line and hooklength, hooklength slightly lighter, as it's tough as old boots and I've never been broken on it (had the odd hook straightened mind).

If you think about it there's no real advantage to using a fine hooklength on the method as the fish should never see it so all I'm looking for is something that's flexible / soft enough to lay nicely in the ball and robust enough to take a very hard hit.

[BAG UP]

when fishing the method
using low diameter hooklengths.say 0.14.6lb3oz,what should your reel line be


0.14 = 6lb 3oz :eek::eek: what sort of brand is that then :confused:

[Jon W]

I always use 6lb sensor reel line and never go below 0.18 hooklength.

[welshmagic]

As has been said,I never go below 0.18 for the method hooklength as I don't think there is a single benefit of doing so in terms of presentation

[FBlues]

0.14 = 6lb 3oz what sort of brand is that then

Must be Italian, they lie in the opposite way to Northern European suppliers when it comes to dia/BS.

[THE TIDALWAVE]

There is an italian brand claiming 0.14=4.1kg=nearly 9lb breaking strain.

[bowie]

0.14 = 6lb 3oz :eek::eek: what sort of brand is that then :confused:

is fox micro plus summat like that??

[MrFoxman]

Bowie, NO.

Fox micro plus is 100% spot on, diameter and breaking strain.

[lee bird]

There is an italian brand claiming 0.14=4.1kg=nearly 9lb breaking strain.
gamakatsu,made by daiwa very good,on diameter and strength

[lee bird]

0.14 = 6lb 3oz what sort of brand is that then

Must be Italian, they lie in the opposite way to Northern European suppliers when it comes to dia/BS.
gamerkatsu made by daiwa

[Church007]

As already said, never use low diameter lines with the method as theres no need whats so ever. 6lb main line to 0.18 minimum, use lower diameters and your asking for trouble such is the force of the fish self hooking........................................... ........Unless you fishing the meathod for Roach of course!!!;):).

[bowie]

Bowie, NO.

Fox micro plus is 100% spot on, diameter and breaking strain.

i know mate, wasnt knocking fox , just that micro plus has a high BS to diameter

[Jack The Lad]

iv always used 8lb maxima to 0.18 - 0.20 genesis and never really had a problem, but i usually give them a long tug as i pick the rod up and most the time makes them swim towards me, part from the double they do what they like lol.

[Nez]

There is an italian brand claiming 0.14=4.1kg=nearly 9lb breaking strain.

Check it. I have a digital micrometer and checked all my lines in the past. Best i have had is what i use right now, silk shock and ultima power match, both spot on or to within 0.01 of what it is stated on the spool. I switched from a popular other brand as they were 0.02 to 0.03 out on evry diameter. I will not say whos line it was as i generally like the rest of their product range.

[stevie b]

gamakatsu,made by daiwa very good,on diameter and strength

The Itallian brand that is mentioned must be the Trabucco T1 Carp fishery line! snaps like cotton!!!

I use Gamakatsu too! very good line in my opinion. Don't know if diameter or BS are accurate though but I like it:)

[Nick D]

6lb mainline and 0.20 hooklength for the method.

[Neilio]

I have just had a bad weekend using pre-tied Maver hairs (8.6lb - 0.20). Lost two 10lb+ as I was about to net them, and they both gave a little head shake and both snapped at the hook. :mad:
I'm not knocking Maver as I have had the same problem using some of the Fox pre-tied too.....the main problem with the Maver is they do not say what line they are using to make them with.

I know I'm going to get told off by most of you.....so I have spent the last couple of days tying my own :D Using FoxMicron XT. I have been very happy using it for my rig line and will now be using it for my hooklengths aswell.

[FBlues]

Neilio: The huge problem with using non-elasticated methods that are semi fixed is there is not enough shock absorption on a short hooklength. You can make it better by tying loop-to-loop to the swivel rather than a single knot and if you 'twizzle' the loop before you tie, that's better still. If you're using an elasticated feeder then I guess you need a longer line from rod end to fish when you're netting them. Have the rod WAY back over your shoulder and smoothly draw the fish to the net. Scooping is very dangerous on the method.

[MrFoxman]

6lb sensor to minimum 0.18 micro plus hooklengths.

[Nez]

gamerkatsu made by daiwa

I Miced the gamakatsu super g line in 0.2 stated, 11lb bs. Actually read 0.19, peeled some off and checked a few places, same.

0.10 = 3.5lb bs
0.12 = 5.1lb bs
0.14 = 6.2lb bs
0.16 = 6.6lb bs
0.18 = 9.5lb bs

Dont know the correct way to check the breaking strain.

[FBlues]

The official way is with a very expensive line testing machine. My guess is that those strains are overstated by 20%. Most accurate tests on premium quality line indicate that the expectation of 0.20mm mono would be 8lb so to have 0.18 stated as above that is probably inaccurate.

Angling reality is important. Line on a testing machine is stretched slowly before breakage and that makes it appear far stronger. A sharp tug breaks it far easier. Try it yourself by wrapping some line around your fingers: pull it slowly and you'll cut yourself, jerk it hard (confidently!) and the line snaps like cotton. A guide I fish with in the USA can snap 50lb Ande Premium, which officially tests at closer to 60lb, by hand using a technique he developed when tying knots.

You will undoubtedly have hooked a snag using 3lb line and really struggle to snap the line, yet that same 3lb line can sometimes easily be broken by a fish running, the cause is a bad reaction by the angler or tackle.

If you want to test the tensile breaking strain of the line, use a bucket. Fix some line to a broom handle or similar by wrapping it round several times, then gaffer-taping it. Do the same around the handle of the bucket. Now pour water into the bucket from a measuring jug, slowly and carefully. When the line breaks, check how much water you've poured into the bucket. Add the weight of water (1ltr = 1 kg; 1 pint = 1lb 4oz as near as dammit) add the weight of the bucket and you'll know. Do the same test again using a loop knot at each end and you'll know the practical breaking strain for angling purposes.

[djandymartin]

Does line break at different tolerances underwater?

Example 3lb line breaking at 2lb 8oz out of water but over 3lb in water?

[the big fella]

hi

Only a guess but I would have thought it would not have made any difference at all on a straight line but if you were doing the test and it had a knot in it, or a loop to loop it may effect it as the water would help stop heat being generated within the knot as its pulled tighter to almost breaking point etc?

Thats what I would guess could happen?

Anyone else know for sure more scientifically?

[FBlues]

Some lines (Maxima for example) are porous and become weaker in water. Thicker too, because you can't absorb something and stay the same diameter. In the VERY old days ABU lines (made by Bayer) were all quoted in 'wet' and 'dry' breaking strains. Most lines these days have breaking strains stated with the inclusion of a knot, so are usually at least 20-25% STRONGER in tensile strength than they are in knot strength. Line is only as strong as your worst knot, as I found to my cost recently when I lost a BIG tench because I KNEW I had tied a poor knot but didn't bother to re-tie it.

'Hard' lines such as fluorocarbons, which are denser because the extrusion pressure is greater, absorb less water so there is less difference in wet and dry strengths. Some 'pre-stretched' (a non-scientific term because ALL lines are stretched by the extrusion process) lines are also relatively stronger underwater but because they have less stretch can break easier under sudden tension. It's why lines such as Double Strength are brilliant hook length materials (the match angler many consider the best in the World uses nothing else!) but not reel lines. The shock absorption of the main, stretchy, mono relieves the impact.

Also, mono line is only as strong as its narrowest point, so if you flatten line with shot, or a bad, non-lubricated knot it breaks at that relative diameter. For example, if you are using 0.20mm, nominal bs of 8lb, and you pinch a shot on too tightly, flattening the line so at its narrowest it's only 0.14mm, the breaking strain will be that of 0.14mm, or around 4lb. It's why smoothly pulling a well-lubricated knot is so important and frictional heat will flatten, and weaken, the line.

[djandymartin]

Thanks for that Keith, I never knew Maxima was pourous and therefore weaker in water!
I know that the breaking strains quoted on it were less than what it actually broke at so I presume when they quote 4lb bs thats the bs of it in water and knotstrength?